Vladimir
Full Version: Good bye red stars?
There are rumors circulating the Russian forums that the Russian government is getting ready to change the red stars to the tricolor stars with the colors of the Russian flag that will look like this:
Vladimir
Vladimir
QUOTE(yak_v @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 1913) 
There are rumors circulating the Russian forums that the Russian government is getting ready to change the red stars to the tricolor stars with the colors of the Russian flag that will look like this:
Vladimir
Vladimir
The image doesn't show, the link OTOH, does: linkie
not exactly the most esthetically pleasing design I must say, OTOH I do wonder why Russia stuck with the communist red star for so long?
QUOTE(Xavier @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 1836)
The image doesn't show, the link OTOH, does: linkie
not exactly the most esthetically pleasing design I must say, OTOH I do wonder why Russia stuck with the communist red star for so long?
not exactly the most esthetically pleasing design I must say, OTOH I do wonder why Russia stuck with the communist red star for so long?
No money for the paint, maybe?
I liked the Red Star, but the new one isn't bad either.
The Red Star is more distinctive in my opinion..of course all US insignias have become just a different shade of grey.....
Why don't they just go with WWI roundel?
QUOTE(Xavier @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 1636)
not exactly the most esthetically pleasing design I must say
Uuuugly.
QUOTE(Xavier @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 1636)
I do wonder why Russia stuck with the communist red star for so long?
The Red Star as a plane insignia predated the USSR. It was used as a personal insignia in WWI in tsarist russia. During the civil war stars of different colors and shapes were used by both sides. So, in a way, the red star marking is as old as russian warplanes.
Just wait until we get around to return to our old insignia:
QUOTE(Yama @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 0006)
Just wait until we get around to return to our old insignia:
"What, why there are german swastikas in that tank?"
Last summer I had to explain like 50 times that no the tank is not a german tank and no, we were not nazis.
Well, there's always Belarus.
This decision is stupid. Red stars are the symbol of WW2 Victory and soviet military might during cold war. Russia has not much own post-soviet achievements, the country is still living mostly from soviet heritage so it should at least maintain it's symbols. Czaraist symbols which are now spreading everywhere aren't a solution, czar's regime was even worse.
It looks psychedelic. 
QUOTE(Yama @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 2306)
Just wait until we get around to return to our old insignia:
at least it is a beautiful symbol, one more reason to hate the Nazis, both the swastika, the stechschritt, the Stahlhelm and the Roman salute, all beautiful except for the fact that everyone associates them with those disgusting animals
QUOTE(TomasCTT @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 0038)
It looks psychedelic.
And slightly gay.
QUOTE(Chris Werb @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 0744)
And slightly gay.
Yup, just the kind of thing you'd expect to feature in a Scissor Sisters video...
BillB
Here is a handy sight to reference who uses what symbol:
Roundels Of The World
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html
Roundels Of The World
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html
QUOTE(Chris Werb @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 0244)
And slightly gay.
Agreed. The good ol´communist (ok, Tzarist) star is mouch more brutal and better looking. Lets hope they either keep it or come up with something waaay better than this..
I liked the hammer & sickle symbol much better for some reason.
Anyone know the background & history attached to that one?
Anyone know the background & history attached to that one?
QUOTE(Gavin-Phillips @ Sun 16 Mar 2008 1612)
I liked the hammer & sickle symbol much better for some reason.
Anyone know the background & history attached to that one?
Anyone know the background & history attached to that one?
That's no military marking. It was a russian communist symbol, representing the union of workers and peasant (there were other variations, with cogs instead hammers, plowshares instead of sickles, etc.). Later it made it's way into Soviet flag and coat of arms (with the first Soviet constitution, in the mid 20s).
That tricolor star is fugly. Keep the red one, after all there's still Soyuz nierushimyi as national anthem so what?
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There are rumors circulating the Russian forums that the Russian government is getting ready to change the red stars to the tricolor stars with the colors of the Russian flag that will look like this:
It is not the first time this happens. In the early 90s many aircraft wore big russian flags in the tail. New uniforms for russian army were showed some weeks ago and they seem to keep old style star.
-->QUOTE(Bob B @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 1130)
Here is a handy sight to reference who uses what symbol:
Roundels Of The World
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html[/quote]
Strange seeing a Mig with "Western" German Markings.
Roundels Of The World
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html[/quote]
Strange seeing a Mig with "Western" German Markings.
QUOTE(gnocci @ Sun 16 Mar 2008 1943)
That's no military marking. It was a russian communist symbol, representing the union of workers and peasant (there were other variations, with cogs instead hammers, plowshares instead of sickles, etc.). Later it made it's way into Soviet flag and coat of arms (with the first Soviet constitution, in the mid 20s).
The Naval aviation used to paint a flag on the tail of aiircraft with a hammer + sickle...
Look at just about any Yak-38 picture
Correct me if Im wrong, but they STILL have the Red star on top of the Kremlin dont they? In which case I cant see the problem in retaining it as a symbol on military aircraft. Its as distinctive, aesthetic and historic as the RAF roundel. Doubtless we will change it to a similarly politically correct one in due course. 
QUOTE(Luke_Yaxley @ Mon 24 Mar 2008 0154)
The Naval aviation used to paint a flag on the tail of aiircraft with a hammer + sickle...
Look at just about any Yak-38 picture
Look at just about any Yak-38 picture
Errr... In a way. That's the Navy flag, under the cockpit. The tail is still a red star.
You're thinking Aeroflot.
Aeroflot kept the Hammer&Sickle, did it not?
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Falken
QUOTE(SCFalken @ Tue 25 Mar 2008 1254)
Aeroflot kept the Hammer&Sickle, did it not?
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Falken
Yes:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aeroflot---...-111/1337977/L/
Vladimir
[quote name='Paul G.' date='Tue 18 Mar 2008 2018' post='551121']
--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bob B @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 1130) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here is a handy sight to reference who uses what symbol:
Strange seeing a Mig with "Western" German Markings.
PAUL G. Strange! I see no markings on that photograph. Or is it jusr me?
ALL. SLAVA KRASNAYA SVESDA! If my scanty Russian has survived 19 years of disuse."glory (to the) red star. WB
--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bob B @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 1130) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here is a handy sight to reference who uses what symbol:Strange seeing a Mig with "Western" German Markings.
PAUL G. Strange! I see no markings on that photograph. Or is it jusr me?
ALL. SLAVA KRASNAYA SVESDA! If my scanty Russian has survived 19 years of disuse."glory (to the) red star. WB
QUOTE(Luke_Yaxley @ Mon 24 Mar 2008 0454)
The Naval aviation used to paint a flag on the tail of aiircraft with a hammer + sickle...
Look at just about any Yak-38 picture
Look at just about any Yak-38 picture
Than one has the red star as well.
QUOTE(kNiks @ Tue 25 Mar 2008 2304)
Than one has the red star as well.
But the Soviet Navy ensign has been dropped with the end of the Soviet Union. The current Russian Navy uses the old 'Andreevskii' (or St. Andrew's) again. Painted on most aircraft too.
QUOTE(kNiks @ Tue 25 Mar 2008 2004)
Than one has the red star as well.
THAT'S the navy flag. It's the same as on those VTOL Yaks.
QUOTE(wallaby bob @ Tue 25 Mar 2008 2246)
PAUL G. Strange! I see no markings on that photograph. Or is it jusr me?
On the engine intake beneath the right wing root.
Of course they're all sold off to Poland for a symbolic price now.
QUOTE(Arthur Hubers @ Tue 25 Mar 2008 2329)
But the Soviet Navy ensign has been dropped with the end of the Soviet Union. The current Russian Navy uses the old 'Andreevskii' (or St. Andrew's) again. Painted on most aircraft too.
Yes, but Luke Yaxley mentioned the old one, with the hammer and sickle.
QUOTE(kNiks @ Wed 26 Mar 2008 1214)
Yes, but Luke Yaxley mentioned the old one, with the hammer and sickle.
QUOTE(yak_v @ Tue 25 Mar 2008 1622)
I'm sorry, but the continued use of the hammer and sickle is about as tasteful as if Lufthansa retained the swastika as part of their official logotypes (and, yes, I know it's had the crane as primary symbol since way back when, but they did incorporate swastikas as well).
QUOTE(Hans Engstrom @ Thu 27 Mar 2008 1149)
I'm sorry, but the continued use of the hammer and sickle is about as tasteful as if Lufthansa retained the swastika as part of their official logotypes
If that's you sensibility, don't visit Moscow
Or Italy. Or India. Or Spain...
On Aeroflot case, it was a symbol found on the flag of the country that founded the company. The company exists because that country wanted a national airline, and put it's symbol on it's logo.
Then, some british marketing companyproduced a ppt about "corporate identity", "recognition" and stuff, and recomended keeping it
Gnocci Said it (The Hammer & Sickle)was a political symbol, not a military symbol.
I Consider painting a NAVY FLAG as standard on a military aircraft putting the hammer and sickle on an aircraft as standard markings.
And as mentioned Aeroflop still uses it as a symbol not to mention every second vodka brand...
I Consider painting a NAVY FLAG as standard on a military aircraft putting the hammer and sickle on an aircraft as standard markings.
And as mentioned Aeroflop still uses it as a symbol not to mention every second vodka brand...
It's a political symbol for the most genocidal ideology yet invented by man. I despise it, and I loathe the fact that it is not completely uancceptable to display it (or label oneself a communist) even now.
QUOTE(Luke_Yaxley @ Fri 28 Mar 2008 0709)
And as mentioned Aeroflop still uses it as a symbol not to mention every second vodka brand...
LUKE. I think AEROFLOT is a somewhat special case. It's the only airline, to my knowledge, to have operated armed transport aircraft in ,nominally, peacetime service. If you doubt they did so I clearly recall seeing same with 23mm cannon in tail turret on the airfield in Vientianne, Laos. WB
I guess that here is the final version of the new Russian insignia:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Ai...-28N/1509948/L/
Surprisingly it looks pretty good.
Vladimir
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Ai...-28N/1509948/L/
Surprisingly it looks pretty good.
Vladimir
QUOTE(pdoktar @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 2254)
Last summer I had to explain like 50 times that no the tank is not a german tank and no, we were not nazis.
You apparently aren't the only national that would need to explain..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
QUOTE(pdoktar @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 1754)
"What, why there are german swastikas in that tank?" 
Last summer I had to explain like 50 times that no the tank is not a german tank and no, we were not nazis.
Last summer I had to explain like 50 times that no the tank is not a german tank and no, we were not nazis.
Absalutely not. That symbol was the pre-WW2 of Carlsberg beer which, which I presume the crews drunk in quantity, and can be seen on the HQ building in Copenhagen.
QUOTE(kNiks @ Thu 13 Mar 2008 2017)
Why don't they just go with WWI roundel?
Because the US took it over in 1917. Previous to that, the insignia on Army a/c was a red star, the USN had an anchor (blue IIRC).
Personally, I think the new star is a good way to save paint. Just leave the red star in the middle and an inch for the rim and paint the white and blue over the rest of the old star....
QUOTE(yak_v @ Thu 16 Apr 2009 0234)
I guess that here is the final version of the new Russian insignia:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Ai...-28N/1509948/L/
Surprisingly it looks pretty good.
Vladimir
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Ai...-28N/1509948/L/
Surprisingly it looks pretty good.
Vladimir
OT, seriously, that is one ugly looking helicopter. Mean, but ugly looking. Which leads me to ask, why the fat belly? Bomb bay?
QUOTE(yak_v @ Wed 15 Apr 2009 2034)
I guess that here is the final version of the new Russian insignia:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Ai...-28N/1509948/L/
Surprisingly it looks pretty good.
Vladimir
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Ai...-28N/1509948/L/
Surprisingly it looks pretty good.
Vladimir
That blue rim is hardly visible at any distance above 20m on ground, nevermind in air. Not that it has any practical significance, but version from Mi-17 was way better in that respect. It does look good, though.
QUOTE(KingSargent @ Thu 16 Apr 2009 0900)
Because the US took it over in 1917. Previous to that, the insignia on Army a/c was a red star, the USN had an anchor (blue IIRC).
It was used for about a year, and it had different proportions, but on second thought, Russians have that red star for almost a century by now...
Wow, it actually took three looks for me to even notice the blue!
QUOTE(Bob B @ Fri 14 Mar 2008 1530)
Here is a handy sight to reference who uses what symbol:
Roundels Of The World
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html
Roundels Of The World
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html
Hmm - they haven't understood who/what Scandinavia is...
QUOTE(TomasCTT @ Thu 16 Apr 2009 0929)
OT, seriously, that is one ugly looking helicopter. Mean, but ugly looking. Which leads me to ask, why the fat belly? Bomb bay?
Agree, Mi-28 is fugly. Kamov 52 OTOH...
QUOTE(TomasCTT @ Thu 16 Apr 2009 0229)
OT, seriously, that is one ugly looking helicopter. Mean, but ugly looking.
Just wait till it gets its egg shaped Longbow-ski radar..
Just google Mi-28N
edit: spullng
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