Full Version: marmon herrinton two man tank
Does any one have any use for the complete drive line of the Marmon Herrington two man tank, as I have one surplus to mr requiements
I don't myself but for heaven's sake don't junk it. There's bound to be a need somewhere.
I wouldn't wast it on the Museum system though, that's about the same as scrapping it in my experience.
I'll look for someone who needs it...
I wouldn't wast it on the Museum system though, that's about the same as scrapping it in my experience.
I'll look for someone who needs it...
QUOTE(Tim the Tank Nut @ Fri 4 Jan 2008 1735) 
I don't myself but for heaven's sake don't junk it. There's bound to be a need somewhere.
I wouldn't wast it on the Museum system though, that's about the same as scrapping it in my experience.
I'll look for someone who needs it...
I wouldn't wast it on the Museum system though, that's about the same as scrapping it in my experience.
I'll look for someone who needs it...
O K ,
Thanks Tim,
I will leave it to you, I have everything except the motor,which I beleive was just a six cylinder Herculese petrol one, that should not be much of a problem,
Jacques Littlefield has a Marmon-Harrington. He might be able to use it.
QUOTE(enigma @ Fri 4 Jan 2008 0849)
Does any one have any use for the complete drive line of the Marmon Herrington two man tank, as I have one surplus to mr requiements
In 1999, I identified what has to be the sole surviving USMC Marmon-Herrington light tank, now in the hands of a private collector in Southern California. The Michelson family and their American Military History Museum at So. El Monte, CA own the "Bob Hope tank," so-called because it was featured in movies and television. Altered over the years by studios as a prop, it displays the chassis of a Marmon-Herrington CTL-3 series, with a vintage Lincoln Zephyr V-12 engine, it certainly is one of the first five CTL-3 delivered to the USMC in 1937. This 60+ year old machine still runs. Sadly, it is a CTL-3 only from the fenders down, the superstructure having been removed.It has the unmistakable suspension of the CTL-3, modified [as the five original vehicles were in 1940] to CTL-3A standards with a trestle support, whence all 9 survivors were called CTL-3M. The Marine Corps dropped them for disposal in 1942.
The Hercules engines went into all after the original 5 CTL-3, including the 5 CTL-3a, 20 CTL-6 and the several hundred Dutch Indies/US Army CTLS-TAC/-TAYs that became T14/T16 in US service. Craig Michelson would surely like to have a chance to acquire your item:
http://hometown.aol.com/tankland/museum.htm
1918 Rosemead Blvd
El Monte, CA 91733
(626) 442-1776
Fax 626 443-1776
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Sat 5 Jan 2008 0711)
http://hometown.aol.com/tankland/museum.htm
1918 Rosemead Blvd
El Monte, CA 91733
(626) 442-1776
Fax 626 443-1776
1918 Rosemead Blvd
El Monte, CA 91733
(626) 442-1776
Fax 626 443-1776
AOL doing its usual thing with links like the one above - you have to cut and paste the link into the address bar on your browser to get it to work.
I don't believe that there is a solution to this problem that allows the user to click on a link.
QUOTE(KingSargent @ Sat 5 Jan 2008 0029)
Jacques Littlefield has a Marmon-Harrington. He might be able to use it.
Thanks for your reply regarding the Marmon Herrington tank drive line that I have,
I dont know Jacques Littlefield do you have an address for him?
Thank you
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Sat 5 Jan 2008 0211)
In 1999, I identified what has to be the sole surviving USMC Marmon-Herrington light tank, now in the hands of a private collector in Southern California. The Michelson family and their American Military History Museum at So. El Monte, CA own the "Bob Hope tank," so-called because it was featured in movies and television. Altered over the years by studios as a prop, it displays the chassis of a Marmon-Herrington CTL-3 series, with a vintage Lincoln Zephyr V-12 engine, it certainly is one of the first five CTL-3 delivered to the USMC in 1937. This 60+ year old machine still runs. Sadly, it is a CTL-3 only from the fenders down, the superstructure having been removed.It has the unmistakable suspension of the CTL-3, modified [as the five original vehicles were in 1940] to CTL-3A standards with a trestle support, whence all 9 survivors were called CTL-3M. The Marine Corps dropped them for disposal in 1942.
The Hercules engines went into all after the original 5 CTL-3, including the 5 CTL-3a, 20 CTL-6 and the several hundred Dutch Indies/US Army CTLS-TAC/-TAYs that became T14/T16 in US service. Craig Michelson would surely like to have a chance to acquire your item:
http://hometown.aol.com/tankland/museum.htm
1918 Rosemead Blvd
El Monte, CA 91733
(626) 442-1776
Fax 626 443-1776
The Hercules engines went into all after the original 5 CTL-3, including the 5 CTL-3a, 20 CTL-6 and the several hundred Dutch Indies/US Army CTLS-TAC/-TAYs that became T14/T16 in US service. Craig Michelson would surely like to have a chance to acquire your item:
http://hometown.aol.com/tankland/museum.htm
1918 Rosemead Blvd
El Monte, CA 91733
(626) 442-1776
Fax 626 443-1776
Hi Ken,
Thanks for the information, I have the gear box transfer case and the final drives including the chains, after the war they were fitted into an extended Bren carrier, the extension consisted of the original Marmon Herrington final drive side plates I aquired it from the son of the man who did the conversionit and it sat in a shed for over 40 years,
QUOTE(enigma @ Sun 6 Jan 2008 0129)
Hi Ken,
Thanks for the information, I have the gear box transfer case and the final drives including the chains, after the war they were fitted into an extended Bren carrier, the extension consisted of the original Marmon Herrington final drive side plates I aquired it from the son of the man who did the conversionit and it sat in a shed for over 40 years,
Thanks for the information, I have the gear box transfer case and the final drives including the chains, after the war they were fitted into an extended Bren carrier, the extension consisted of the original Marmon Herrington final drive side plates I aquired it from the son of the man who did the conversionit and it sat in a shed for over 40 years,
By the way does anyone have any pictures of either Marmon Herrington tank that has survived as I have never seen them thank you,it seems that we had 117 of them here in 1941 and they were disposed of to the scrap merchants in 1943,or so I have been told, the engines were used in lighters 4 to each boat, and the amour was used around the wheel house these parts were purchased from the Ford plant after the war, by the two brothers who did the conversion of the Bren carrier all this information came from one of the mens sons,
QUOTE(enigma @ Sun 6 Jan 2008 0732)
By the way does anyone have any pictures of either Marmon Herrington tank that has survived as I have never seen them thank you,it seems that we had 117 of them here in 1941 and they were disposed of to the scrap merchants in 1943,or so I have been told, the engines were used in lighters 4 to each boat, and the amour was used around the wheel house these parts were purchased from the Ford plant after the war, by the two brothers who did the conversion of the Bren carrier all this information came from one of the mens sons,
http://www.geocities.com/spoelstra.geo/m-h/usmc.html for Hanno's reprint of my work on the USMC ones; the ones you are talking about were the Dutch-purchased left/right side tankettes that were en rte when Java fell. The US Army scrapped/buried theirs in Alaska [we were that anxious to defend King Sargent] -- there is a good artile by Zaloga on them -- and the USMC ones were buried jettisoned at sea from Samoa and Uvea. But the 9 CTL-3's never left the US, as far as I see it.
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Sun 6 Jan 2008 1204)
http://www.geocities.com/spoelstra.geo/m-h/usmc.html for Hanno's reprint of my work on the USMC ones; the ones you are talking about were the Dutch-purchased left/right side tankettes that were en rte when Java fell. The US Army scrapped/buried theirs in Alaska [we were that anxious to defend King Sargent] -- there is a good artile by Zaloga on them -- and the USMC ones were buried jettisoned at sea from Samoa and Uvea. But the 9 CTL-3's never left the US, as far as I see it.
Hello Ken,
I have been in touch with Craig Michelson regarding the Marmon Herrington tank parts
and he says that he has no use for them and that all he needs is the air compressor for
the brakes,
Many thanks for your help,
QUOTE(KingSargent @ Sat 5 Jan 2008 0029)
Jacques Littlefield has a Marmon-Harrington. He might be able to use it.
Thanks for the information I have been in touch with Craig Michelson of Tankland
but he says they have no use for the parts, do you have an E Mail address for
Jacques Littlefield,it seems a shame that they will not be used,
Thank you
QUOTE(enigma @ Thu 10 Jan 2008 0026)
Thanks for the information I have been in touch with Craig Michelson of Tankland
but he says they have no use for the parts, do you have an E Mail address for
Jacques Littlefield,it seems a shame that they will not be used,
Thank you
but he says they have no use for the parts, do you have an E Mail address for
Jacques Littlefield,it seems a shame that they will not be used,
Thank you
We have several members who volunteer at Jacques', and one who works there. May I suggest starting a new thread "NEED LITTLEFIELD'S ADDRESS" and see if we can get their attention.
QUOTE(KingSargent @ Thu 10 Jan 2008 0326)
We have several members who volunteer at Jacques', and one who works there. May I suggest starting a new thread "NEED LITTLEFIELD'S ADDRESS" and see if we can get their attention.
Hi and thank you for the suggestion, I will try that approach it sounds like a good idea,
I have just received a P M and someone has offered to put me in touch with Jaques Littlefield
so I will see how that goes, once again thanks for your help, I will keep the forum informed
on any progress
I figured one of the Littlefield gang would go to you, as several are on TN or lurking.
If they don't want it, the next collector I know of that has one would be Fred Ropkey, former USMC tanker*
and a retired businessman in Indianapolis. The excellent museum can be seen at
http://www.ropkeyarmormuseum.com/
* Turns out Fred and I each led 3rd Plt, B Co., 2d Tk Bn in our times, 1954-5, 1970-1!
If they don't want it, the next collector I know of that has one would be Fred Ropkey, former USMC tanker*
and a retired businessman in Indianapolis. The excellent museum can be seen at
http://www.ropkeyarmormuseum.com/
* Turns out Fred and I each led 3rd Plt, B Co., 2d Tk Bn in our times, 1954-5, 1970-1!
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Fri 11 Jan 2008 1515)
I figured one of the Littlefield gang would go to you, as several are on TN or lurking.
If they don't want it, the next collector I know of that has one would be Fred Ropkey, former USMC tanker*
and a retired businessman in Indianapolis. The excellent museum can be seen at
http://www.ropkeyarmormuseum.com/
* Turns out Fred and I each led 3rd Plt, B Co., 2d Tk Bn in our times, 1954-5, 1970-1!
If they don't want it, the next collector I know of that has one would be Fred Ropkey, former USMC tanker*
and a retired businessman in Indianapolis. The excellent museum can be seen at
http://www.ropkeyarmormuseum.com/
* Turns out Fred and I each led 3rd Plt, B Co., 2d Tk Bn in our times, 1954-5, 1970-1!
Hi Ken,
And thanks for your help it really is a small world when you think that you both
led the same Plt,
I have sent an E mail to him, and will advise the progress if any,
Once again many thanks,
QUOTE(enigma @ Sat 12 Jan 2008 0237)
Hi Ken,
And thanks for your help it really is a small world when you think that you both
led the same Plt,
I have sent an E mail to him, and will advise the progress if any,
Once again many thanks,
And thanks for your help it really is a small world when you think that you both
led the same Plt,
I have sent an E mail to him, and will advise the progress if any,
Once again many thanks,
Hi Ken,
Update on the Marmon Herrington tank parts as promised,I have heard back from Fred Ropkey
last night and he does not want the parts,seems a shame to just let them rot away
who knows some one may just turn up a tank in the future and the parts are gone
QUOTE(enigma @ Sun 13 Jan 2008 2136)
Hi Ken,
Update on the Marmon Herrington tank parts as promised,I have heard back from Fred Ropkey
last night and he does not want the parts,seems a shame to just let them rot away
who knows some one may just turn up a tank in the future and the parts are gone
Update on the Marmon Herrington tank parts as promised,I have heard back from Fred Ropkey
last night and he does not want the parts,seems a shame to just let them rot away
who knows some one may just turn up a tank in the future and the parts are gone
I'd suggest contacting Littlefield via his website
http://www.milvehtechfound.com/contact.html
The Artillery Annex to the Militia Museum of New Jersey in Lawrenceville NJ also has a static Marmon-Herrington tank CTMS-1TB1. You can see some pics I took of it last year on the AFV News board:
http://www.com-central.net/index.php?name=...opic&t=4489
Neil
QUOTE(baumgar @ Mon 14 Jan 2008 1901)
I'd suggest contacting Littlefield via his website
http://www.milvehtechfound.com/contact.html
The Artillery Annex to the Militia Museum of New Jersey in Lawrenceville NJ also has a static Marmon-Herrington tank CTMS-1TB1. You can see some pics I took of it last year on the AFV News board:
http://www.com-central.net/index.php?name=...opic&t=4489
Neil
http://www.milvehtechfound.com/contact.html
The Artillery Annex to the Militia Museum of New Jersey in Lawrenceville NJ also has a static Marmon-Herrington tank CTMS-1TB1. You can see some pics I took of it last year on the AFV News board:
http://www.com-central.net/index.php?name=...opic&t=4489
Neil
Hi Neil,
And thanks for posting thoses very interesting photos of the Marmon Herrington tank
I have sent an E Mail to jaques Littlefield,and will advise results if any.
QUOTE(enigma @ Mon 14 Jan 2008 2232)
Hi Neil,
And thanks for posting thoses very interesting photos of the Marmon Herrington tank
I have sent an E Mail to jaques Littlefield,and will advise results if any.
And thanks for posting thoses very interesting photos of the Marmon Herrington tank
I have sent an E Mail to jaques Littlefield,and will advise results if any.
Hi Neil.
Update as promised, I have sent half a dozen E Mails tp Jaques Littlefields
web site but all have been returned marked as unable to deliver, in other
words no progress as of yet,seems as if there is little or no interest in these
parts and thats a pity
I just sent a PM to someone who works with Jacques on occasion. Perhaps he can help.
Thanks Jim,
That would be a big help,its hard to beleive that there is such little
interest in some thing that is so rare
Thanks again I appreciate your effort
That would be a big help,its hard to beleive that there is such little
interest in some thing that is so rare
Thanks again I appreciate your effort
Ken Estes--do you think that the Marine Corps Museum might have an interest in the parts?
[Edit] Might there be another US military museum that would have an interest in preserving technical data and parts of AFV's? I was thinking Ft Meade, but we all know what they've done with their priceless collection....
[Edit] Might there be another US military museum that would have an interest in preserving technical data and parts of AFV's? I was thinking Ft Meade, but we all know what they've done with their priceless collection....
enigma
Might I suggest the AWM in Canberra, your 'parts' might be the only trace of a M-H left in Aust, otherwise the Armour boys at Pucka? They're both rather closer than any US institution and if the alternative is the scrap man......
shane
Might I suggest the AWM in Canberra, your 'parts' might be the only trace of a M-H left in Aust, otherwise the Armour boys at Pucka? They're both rather closer than any US institution and if the alternative is the scrap man......
shane
QUOTE(enigma @ Thu 17 Jan 2008 0815)
Hi Neil.
Update as promised, I have sent half a dozen E Mails tp Jaques Littlefields
web site but all have been returned marked as unable to deliver, in other
words no progress as of yet,seems as if there is little or no interest in these
parts and thats a pity
Update as promised, I have sent half a dozen E Mails tp Jaques Littlefields
web site but all have been returned marked as unable to deliver, in other
words no progress as of yet,seems as if there is little or no interest in these
parts and thats a pity
I thought that you had some PMs from some of the Littlefield gang. If so, wait for it. They are working on
several priority machines and the M-H they have is out in the back lot, one of the AA types.
QUOTE(Jim Martin @ Thu 17 Jan 2008 0936)
Ken Estes--do you think that the Marine Corps Museum might have an interest in the parts?
[Edit] Might there be another US military museum that would have an interest in preserving technical data and parts of AFV's? I was thinking Ft Meade, but we all know what they've done with their priceless collection....
[Edit] Might there be another US military museum that would have an interest in preserving technical data and parts of AFV's? I was thinking Ft Meade, but we all know what they've done with their priceless collection....
Don't even get me started, Jim. The National Museum of the MC is not interested in any M-H unless somebody wants to donate one to them...as if they grow on trees. They remained utterly uninterested in the Craig Michelson CTL-3, which ought to be on the National Historic Register already! Ken
QUOTE(Argus @ Thu 17 Jan 2008 0510)
enigma
Might I suggest the AWM in Canberra, your 'parts' might be the only trace of a M-H left in Aust, otherwise the Armour boys at Pucka? They're both rather closer than any US institution and if the alternative is the scrap man......
shane
Might I suggest the AWM in Canberra, your 'parts' might be the only trace of a M-H left in Aust, otherwise the Armour boys at Pucka? They're both rather closer than any US institution and if the alternative is the scrap man......
shane
Hi Argus Shane
Thanks mate for your replyI sent off an E Mail to Pucka about six weeks ago
but as yet I have not heard back from them,also someone made contact with them regarding these parts, and to put it mildly the silence is deaferning
Thanks for the reply
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Thu 17 Jan 2008 0632)
I thought that you had some PMs from some of the Littlefield gang. If so, wait for it. They are working on
several priority machines and the M-H they have is out in the back lot, one of the AA types.
several priority machines and the M-H they have is out in the back lot, one of the AA types.
Hi Ken,
And thanks for the reply,I will late a bit longer befor I decide what to do with
the parts, ( Quote one of the AA types what does this mean? )
Again many thanks for your help,
QUOTE(enigma @ Thu 17 Jan 2008 1439)
Hi Argus Shane
Thanks mate for your replyI sent off an E Mail to Pucka about six weeks ago
but as yet I have not heard back from them,also someone made contact with them regarding these parts, and to put it mildly the silence is deaferning
Thanks for the reply
Thanks mate for your replyI sent off an E Mail to Pucka about six weeks ago
but as yet I have not heard back from them,also someone made contact with them regarding these parts, and to put it mildly the silence is deaferning
Thanks for the reply
Shane,
I am leaving the A W M till last as I would prefer to see the
the parts installed in a tank and used rather than being just
put in a shed out of sight,
Thanks mate
I am leaving the A W M till last as I would prefer to see the
the parts installed in a tank and used rather than being just
put in a shed out of sight,
Thanks mate
Got a reply back, the individual I messaged will be seeing Jacques next weekend I believe. Should be contacting you shortly--and Ken E is right, Jacques has a lot of projects on his plate right now, apparently.
Enigma, do you have pics of the gear in question?
QUOTE(enigma @ Thu 17 Jan 2008 2348)
Shane,
I am leaving the A W M till last as I would prefer to see the
the parts installed in a tank and used rather than being just
put in a shed out of sight,
Thanks mate
I am leaving the A W M till last as I would prefer to see the
the parts installed in a tank and used rather than being just
put in a shed out of sight,
Thanks mate
Ebay? JUST KIDDING!!!
Remember these already old tanks have to last forever. So at some point, one of them will need your parts. Maybe tomorrow, maybe a century from now. Don't junk them.
Enigma,
Would you happen to have the parts manufacuring numbers or serial numbers from the pieces? May be able to run down some info on your parts.
C.G.
Would you happen to have the parts manufacuring numbers or serial numbers from the pieces? May be able to run down some info on your parts.
C.G.
QUOTE(C.G.Erickson @ Fri 18 Jan 2008 1604)
Enigma,
Would you happen to have the parts manufacuring numbers or serial numbers from the pieces? May be able to run down some info on your parts.
C.G.
Would you happen to have the parts manufacuring numbers or serial numbers from the pieces? May be able to run down some info on your parts.
C.G.
Fucking great, CG, did you just wake TF up? Next time you are in Seattle, report for discipline [WTF is manufacuring?]! Cheers, Ken
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Fri 18 Jan 2008 1740)
Fucking great, CG, did you just wake TF up? Next time you are in Seattle, report for discipline [WTF is manufacuring?]! Cheers, Ken
Hi Ken
Been working 6 to 7 days a week. 12 to 16 hours a day. Been doing that from last September.
Should have been MANUFACTURING
Am taking this week off to repair storm damage to my property.
Would love to visit Seattle...sigh... if I ever get away from Chevron Richmond....They have alot of sick machinery, due to process changes.
C.G.
Hello Jim,
Yes I have pics of the parts I will see if I can post them
Yes I have pics of the parts I will see if I can post them
Hi Ken & Jim,
I am not good at this computer thing, I am much better with a spanner then this damm thing,
If you go onto the M L U forum an excellent site, I am sure you know of it,I posted lots of pics on there showing how the machine was found and where,
Look under the headin of Time to strip the old girl July 25th of last year, Also an earlier posting Carrier country,.
some of the pics show the details that you asked about, E G the logo M H and C T L and numbers,
I hope you find them of some interest to you both,
Regards, Ron, ( Enigma )
PS, its in the carrier section of the forum
I am not good at this computer thing, I am much better with a spanner then this damm thing,
If you go onto the M L U forum an excellent site, I am sure you know of it,I posted lots of pics on there showing how the machine was found and where,
Look under the headin of Time to strip the old girl July 25th of last year, Also an earlier posting Carrier country,.
some of the pics show the details that you asked about, E G the logo M H and C T L and numbers,
I hope you find them of some interest to you both,
Regards, Ron, ( Enigma )
PS, its in the carrier section of the forum
Thanks for that info, enigma. Great pics!
For those of you who don't want to bother yourselves searching, here's the link to the relevant MLU thread with pics:
http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthre...ighlight=marmon
For those of you who don't want to bother yourselves searching, here's the link to the relevant MLU thread with pics:
http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthre...ighlight=marmon
QUOTE(Jim Martin @ Mon 21 Jan 2008 1838)
Thanks for that info, enigma. Great pics!
For those of you who don't want to bother yourselves searching, here's the link to the relevant MLU thread with pics:
http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthre...ighlight=marmon
For those of you who don't want to bother yourselves searching, here's the link to the relevant MLU thread with pics:
http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthre...ighlight=marmon
Hi Jim,
Thanks for posting those pics for me. did you check out the ones titled
carrier country, it shows the setup they used,also a pic of the engine that
I left behind, the other pics were posted in June I think,
Regards, Enigma
Fascinating. That is the first hint I have ever had that a CTL-6 [only 20 built, only for the USMC] survived, or even left Samoa and Uvea, where they served with the 1st and 2nd Separate Tank Companies, 1942-43. CTL-6 had a Hercules WXLC3 engine; some M-H chassis numbers for the CTL-6 were 2720-27. I have nothing on part numbers though.
From some of my notes:
One of my CTL-6 photos is in my article on Hanno's website. Its the foreground vehicle, an M3 series [likely a 'flattop'] remains half-hidden to the left, behind are the rare (five) CTM-3TBD 'medium' M-H tanks.
From some of my notes:
QUOTE
The CTL had an air-boosted, track locking system, and the tankers, esp. deZayas, found it too weak, vulnerable, and requestd a redesign to controlled differential steering. Alleges that the truck-type diferential in the CTL cannot handle the forces generating by pivoting, compared to simply compensating for torque differences when a truck turns. “Colonel” Herrington & his designers retorted that the design was necessary to getting under the 5 ton weight limit and no other design was feasible, not could a contr-diff be dropped into the present design.
One of my CTL-6 photos is in my article on Hanno's website. Its the foreground vehicle, an M3 series [likely a 'flattop'] remains half-hidden to the left, behind are the rare (five) CTM-3TBD 'medium' M-H tanks.
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Tue 22 Jan 2008 0046)
Fascinating. That is the first hint I have ever had that a CTL-6 [only 20 built, only for the USMC] survived, or even left Samoa and Uvea, where they served with the 1st and 2nd Separate Tank Companies, 1942-43. CTL-6 had a Hercules WXLC3 engine; some M-H chassis numbers for the CTL-6 were 2720-27. I have nothing on part numbers though.
From some of my notes:
One of my CTL-6 photos is in my article on Hanno's website. Its the foreground vehicle, an M3 series [likely a 'flattop'] remains half-hidden to the left, behind are the rare (five) CTM-3TBD 'medium' M-H tanks.
From some of my notes:
One of my CTL-6 photos is in my article on Hanno's website. Its the foreground vehicle, an M3 series [likely a 'flattop'] remains half-hidden to the left, behind are the rare (five) CTM-3TBD 'medium' M-H tanks.
Hi Ken,
Thanks for the pics of the Marmon Herrington tanks,
just as well I kept the parts,
Enigma
Sheisse.
Those Who Would Know™ inform me that if a tank was made in the US and shipped overseas, it cannot be allowed back into the US.
Those Who Would Know™ inform me that if a tank was made in the US and shipped overseas, it cannot be allowed back into the US.
QUOTE(Jim Martin @ Tue 22 Jan 2008 1648)
Those Who Would Know™ inform me that if a tank was made in the US and shipped overseas, it cannot be allowed back into the US.
With probably something on the order of fifty thousand AFV's and a hundred thousand other vehicles*, I wouldn't be surprised if two or three made it back contrary to the regulations.
*WAG off the top of my head.
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Tue 22 Jan 2008 0046)
Fascinating. That is the first hint I have ever had that a CTL-6 [only 20 built, only for the USMC] survived, or even left Samoa and Uvea, where they served with the 1st and 2nd Separate Tank Companies, 1942-43. CTL-6 had a Hercules WXLC3 engine; some M-H chassis numbers for the CTL-6 were 2720-27. I have nothing on part numbers though.
From some of my notes:
One of my CTL-6 photos is in my article on Hanno's website. Its the foreground vehicle, an M3 series [likely a 'flattop'] remains half-hidden to the left, behind are the rare (five) CTM-3TBD 'medium' M-H tanks.
From some of my notes:
One of my CTL-6 photos is in my article on Hanno's website. Its the foreground vehicle, an M3 series [likely a 'flattop'] remains half-hidden to the left, behind are the rare (five) CTM-3TBD 'medium' M-H tanks.
Morning Ken,
Many thanks for the most recent pics,its getting more and more interesting as time goes on
do you have a link for Hannos site please ?, and do you have any more pics that you can post
of these Marmon Herrington tanks, once again thanks for your help,
Ron, ( Enigma)
Many thanks for the most recent pics,its getting more and more interesting as time goes on
do you have a link for Hannos site please ?, and do you have any more pics that you can post
of these Marmon Herrington tanks, once again thanks for your help,
Ron, ( Enigma)
http://www.geocities.com/spoelstra.geo/m-h/usmc.html
for Hanno's reprint of my work on the USMC ones andhis website; Outside of specialist articles such as mine and Steve Zaloga's on
these machines, the best general survey can be found in Fred Crismon's book, U.S. Military Tracked Vehicles
Osceola, WI: Motorbooks International, 1992.
for Hanno's reprint of my work on the USMC ones andhis website; Outside of specialist articles such as mine and Steve Zaloga's on
these machines, the best general survey can be found in Fred Crismon's book, U.S. Military Tracked Vehicles
Osceola, WI: Motorbooks International, 1992.
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Tue 22 Jan 2008 1739)
http://www.geocities.com/spoelstra.geo/m-h/usmc.html
for Hanno's reprint of my work on the USMC ones andhis website; Outside of specialist articles such as mine and Steve Zaloga's on
these machines, the best general survey can be found in Fred Crismon's book, U.S. Military Tracked Vehicles
Osceola, WI: Motorbooks International, 1992.
for Hanno's reprint of my work on the USMC ones andhis website; Outside of specialist articles such as mine and Steve Zaloga's on
these machines, the best general survey can be found in Fred Crismon's book, U.S. Military Tracked Vehicles
Osceola, WI: Motorbooks International, 1992.
OK Ken,
Thanks I will chase up that book.
Thanks I will chase up that book.
QUOTE(Ken Estes @ Tue 22 Jan 2008 0746)
Hi Ken, I remembered when I notesed photo above that is also in your book to hank for your book. Ended reading it couple months ago and I have to say thanks for the good work - I enjoyed a lot! When is the past 2000 coming out? I would really enjoy reading numerous new experiences gained from IRAQ and IRAQ's affect on tactics (especially tanks and MOUT in Faluja, etc.).
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